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The Germans originally came from Scandinavia. They were mainly shepherds and hunters, and only a small minority were farmers. The Germans consisted of several different groups. The most important of these were the Goths, Vandals, Franks and Saxons.

The Germanic people occupied large forests and poor farming land in Scandinavia. Although they were good hunters they found it difficult to supply enough food for their growing population. Large numbers were forced to migrate south, and during the second century AD they began to settle outside the northern borders of the Roman Empire.

The Germans were dangerous fighters. Their tactics were crude but. effective. Their main strategy was to charge the enemy and involve them in hand-to-hand combat. Only the chiefs wore helmets but they all carried large oblong shields and swords.

The Germans wore animal-skins. They were very proud of their long hair which they dyed red and wore in a bun or pony-tail. They also smeared their hair with thick grease.

The first Germans entered the Roman Empire in AD 166. They asked for permission to settle, but this was refused and the Roman army were able to push them back. However, it was difficult for the Romans to keep them out and in AD 256 they decided to abandon the province of Dacia to the Visigoths.

The next migrating group to cause a problem were the Huns. Pushed out of their own land in Mongolia by the Zhu-Zhu from China, the Huns decided to move west. The first group to suffer at the hands of the Huns were the Alans who lived in South Russia. In AD 375 the Huns defeated the Ostrogoths and Visigoths.

In an attempt to escape from the Huns, the Germans crossed into Roman territory. The Romans attempted to drive them back but in AD 378 the Ostrogoths and Visigoths were able to defeat them at Adrianople. The Romans were now forced to do a deal with the Goths who were given permission to live within the borders of the Roman Empire under their own rulers. In return, the Goths agreed to serve under Roman officers in orqer to prevent further invasions.

The Germans became angry when the Romans passed a law in AD 370 prohibiting marriage between Romans and themselves. The Germans also felt they were not being treated as equals in the army.

Alaric, a Visigoths leader, took part in several campaigns under the Romans. However, when he did not receive the expected promotion in the Roman Army, he led his people against the empire. Alaric now demanded that the Visigoths should have their own independent state. In AD 410 Alaric's army was strong enough to enter Rome. Roman slaves joined with the Visigoths in sacking the city. With the slaves joining his army, Alaric now had 40,000 men at his disposal. After roaming around the Roman Empire, the

Visigoths eventually decided to settle in Aquitania.

The Vandals, under the leadership of Gaiseric, also created serious problems for the Romans. With the support of the Alans, the Vandals entered Africa from Hispania in AD 429. Although, like most invading armies, the Vandals did do damage to property in Africa, they had mainly come to settle and not to destroy. Roman writers, who were extremely hostile to their Arian form of Christianity, were mainly responsible for the Vandals' undeserved reputation for destroying anything to do with civilisation.

The Vandals were good seamen and they were now in a position to control the Mediterranean. After taking Sardinia and Corsica, Gaiseric invaded Italy in AD 455 and spent fourteen days ransacking Rome.

The Romans tried to obtain revenge, but the two vast fleets they sent to Carthage were defeated by the superior Vandal navy. Although there were only about 80,000 Vandals, of which only about 20,000 were fighting men, they ruled the six million people in Roman Africa for the next hundred years.

We Germans are not taking aggressive action against the Roman people, but we are ready to fight if provoked. For it is our traditional custom to resist any attacker... We wish to say, however, that we have

come into Gaul not from choice but because we were expelled from our homes by the Suebi. If you Romans desire our friendship, we can be of service to you... The only people whose superiority we acknowledge are the Suebi... There is no one else on earth that we cannot conquer.

You can't help admiring the Vandals. They entered the wealthiest cities and took them over... in such a way that they rejected their corrupting customs and now use those things that are good, and avoid the degrading influence of those that are evil.

It was peace I sought from the Gothic masters. They themselves wanted peace and before long they gave to others, though for a price, the chance to live without annoyance.

The Goths were wiser than other barbarians and were nearly like the Greeks... King Dicineus (1st century BC) taught the Goths logic and made them skilled in reasoning beyond all other races; he showed them practical knowledge and so persuaded them to abound in good works... Think, I pray you, what pleasure it was for these brave men, when for a little space they had leisure from warfare, to be instructed in the teachings of philosophy.

The Vandals, since they gained possession of Africa, used to indulge in baths, all of them, every day... They wore gold and clothed themselves in garments of silk, and passed their time in theatres and hippodromes and other pleasurable pursuits, and above all else in hunting. And they had dancers and mimes and all other things to hear and see which are of a musical nature.


1. Construct a time-line dated from AD 150 to AD 475. Add to the time-line details of the conflict between the Germans and the Romans.

2. Select sources from this unit that give a good impression of the Germans. Give possible reasons why these writers gave a good impression of the Germans.

3. (i) Describe the reasons why the Germans came into conflict with the Roman Empire. (ii) Explain how these events linked up to help bring down the Roman Empire.

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Germany and the roman empire. The most important of these were the goths vandals franks and saxons. These people are completely unaware of the legacy that adolf hitler drew upon in creating his nazi war machine. The roman portions formed two provinces of the empire germania inferior to the north present day southern netherlands belgium and western germany and germania superior to the south switzerland southwestern germany and eastern france.

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They were mainly shepherds and hunters and only a small minority were farmers. Well it definitely was and this period of roman expansion into what is now modern day belgium luxembourg and north rhine westphalia was equal parts experiment and expansion and set the stage for the collapse of the powerful empire centuries later. His was merely the latest resurrection of a war making empire with a long and bloody history.

This time prussia remained neutral. The germans consisted of several different groups. Rheinisches landesmuseum the rhineland museum holds one of the best collections of roman artifacts in germany.

The peace proved short lived however for at the end of 1798 a new coalition directed against france was formed the war of the second coalition 17981802.

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To sum it up: The costs simply outweighed the benefits.

You have to consider that Germania at this time was essentially one huge forest, which was very, well empty. No cities to conquer, the first German cities were actually founded by the Romans, like e.g. Aachen, Cologne or Trier. The Germans were primitive tribesmen and had little to offer to the Roman Empire. Yet they were warlike and fought many hard battles against them. Although the Roman armies were generally much more advanced with regard to arms technology and tactics, there were also huge setbacks like the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest.

Even Germanicus' campaign from 14 to 16 AD is not considered a success. While Germanicus won the battles with only small losses, he lost ships and material to a storm in the North Sea after a generally successful campaign, and was recalled later.

Consider also that the northern European climate is not very attractive for people who are used to the Mediterranean. You might want to read what Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Germania, the land and its inhabitants:

Then, besides the danger of a boisterous and unknown sea, who would relinquish Asia, Africa, or Italy, for Germany, a land rude in its surface, rigorous in its climate, cheerless to every beholder and cultivator, except a native?

Another fact that should be taken into account is that the Roman invasion actually created a dangerous enemy for the Roman Empire, as the German tribes of that time were rather small groups that were hostile towards each other. In my opinion, only the threat of Roman aggression allowed leaders like Arminius or Marbod to unite them into larger groups that presented a real threat at the Roman borders.

So that eventually, the emperor Tiberius recalled his nephew Germanicus and decided to leave the Germans to their own discord (I can't find an English translation of the exact quote). In my opinion, this is exactly what the Romans would repeat later in northern England/Caledonia, where they decided that further conquests of hostile territory and peoples were not worth the effort, and just put up a wall (the limes in case of Germania, Hadrian's wall in England) to guard the frontier.


As we have said many times, on many pages of this site, the White man has created a "Fantasy History" for himself. This because the White man has no history of his own, as he was a very late comer to civilized lands and people, and but a primitive bit player in the history lived and created by highly advanced Black people. But the White man ultimately triumphed, by means and methods still unknown to us. Thus he gets to tell the story, and in his retelling of Black history, he has made himself the Black people he tells us about. Thus we as Black people, really have no clear way to differentiate, in the history as told by Whites, between the actions and activities of Black people, and those of Whites, because in the White mans lying history, they are ALL Whites!

In support of his false history, the White man has created fake images of Whites, and given them the names of important Blacks in history. In other cases, he has modified pictures of Black people, to make them appear to be White people - we call that Whitenizing.

As in the Black Britain section, here we are using "Off-the-shelf" White history. Our interest is not in it's accuracy, we know that as far as race is concerned it is a lie, thus were have no way of knowing what else is lies. But since our purpose is to point out who the Black people were, the accuracy of the actual history is of no great importance.

Legitimate Black researchers, (as opposed to those who do it to gain favor with the Albinos and thus make money), must out of necessity, try to reconstruct history by bits and pieces. The Albinos have after all, had over 200 years to create their false paintings, statues, and false translations of historical documents.

The task of parsing their lies from the truth is indeed daunting. But every now and then, we uncover an artifact so revealing, that it answers many of our questions, such as What race were the Holy Roman Emperors? What race were the Inca? Who was the last Black Spanish King? When did the Spanish start depicting Jesus as an Albino instead of a Black man? All of these question have been answered by a painting of the Inca king list, painted circa 1800 in Peru.

All related pages have been updated with this new information: i.e. South America-2 and here, in the Charles V section.

Bismarck’s Empire

Prussia would grow to great power in this time period. King William I Hohenzollern of Prussia appointed Otto Von Bismarck as Minister President of Prussia in 1862. With Bismarck at its helm, the Prussian state would win three decisive wars, and become the leader of a new confederation. Within seven years Prussia won a war against Denmark, Austria and France. With a victory in Denmark, German interest were protected in the Jutland peninsula, with victory over Austria in the Austro-Prussian War the North German Confederation was formed with Prussia as its nominal leader and excluded Austria from its affairs, and finally victory in the Franco-Prussian War which ended in Alsace-Lorraine being ceded to the confederation. With all of these victories, the German Princes proclaimed a German Empire. Unlike most empires this was not done out of nationality but rather formed diplomatically. This new empire was led by the Prussian state, due to it having the most population and land within the empire, and so the Prussian Kings became the German Emperors, the new Empire’s capital was moved to Berlin and Otto von Bismarck became the chancellor of this new Empire.

Bismarck’s work domestically within the empire would be work to unify and subdue any opposition. One of Bismarck’s biggest worries in the early Empire was the Catholic population that made up about a third of the mostly protestant country, and held a party majority of seats throughout the edges of the empire. Bismarck instituted something called Kulturkampf (German for Culture Struggle), as a result to fear of Pope Pius IX’s political gains throughout the continent, and thus the anti-clerical government action. In one instance he attempted to convince the nations of Europe to gain some control over who would be elected Pope, though this failed, he eventually started to arrest Priests and Bishops. Kulturkampf would become not only domestic policy and a way to deal with the Catholics in Germany but also a foreign policy and way of dealing with enemy Catholic nations France and Belgium, in attempts to distablize them.

The next thing Bismarck worked on Domestically was unification, due to the recent win in wars, certain land had been won that wasn’t fully German, and thus Bismarck sought to “Germinize” these states. Alsace-Lorraine in the west was French and he took sometime to integrate that population into the newly formed Empire. In the east there was the strongly Polish population, in which he had hoped would eventually integrate into more German like people culturally. While culture was a powerful unifier another problem had arisen, socialism. Bismarck especially hated socialism, so he implemented an Anti-Socialist law in 1878, which banned Socialists from organizing and meeting. In the 1880’s he sought to gain the worker’s support by implementing social benefits in their favor, such as accident and old age insurance and some socialized medicine. He did this with little success though.

Bismarck’s foreign policy was more successful than his domestic policy. After the three major wars that he had led Prussia through before the Imperial Unification he sought to lead the empire into years of peace. He would spend his entire time as Chancellor of the German Empire diplomatically enforcing peace on the European Continent. His mission to promote peace was so the empire could grow, but because of the German’s place in Europe (the direct center) he was forced to pay attention to two problem areas that could involve the Germans in a massive war. First the Balkans were a powder keg. With the recent disintegration of the Ottoman Empire, Russian and Austrian Interests could lead to a massive war. Second is France, who sought to regain the land lost in the Franco-Prussian War. Bismarck’s greatest fear was a coalition between France and Russia or France and Austria, which would put enemies on two fronts of the Empire. So Bismarck was able to negotiate the Three Emperors League in 1873, made up of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Russian Empire. Though this league was short lived. Eventually this league failed, due to Russian warmongering in the Balkans and with Turkey, so Germany and Austria formed the Dual alliance that would last until they lost World War 1. The Reassurance Treaty of 1887 was signed so that Russia would not go to war in the Balkans. Italy fearing French aggression decided to join Austria and Germany and they formed the Triple Alliance. France was outmatched by Germany’s allies, and could not lead a war against the young Empire. This would be the state of the German foreign policy until Bismarck’s resignation in 1890.

Germany and the Last Holy Roman Empire

I n the late 1970s, Germany was considered one of America’s very best friends. Yet in recent years, many Germans’ view toward the United States has become quite negative. A 2014 Pew Research poll shows that 47 percent of Germans have an unfavorable view of America. It looks like their antagonism has been growing even worse since Donald Trump was elected America’s president. Germany is now one of the world’s 10 biggest critics of the U.S.

Few people recognize this, but a prophecy in the Bible actually describes the relationship between the U.S. and Germany in our day. It says Germany is America’s preeminent “lover.” That “lover” relationship began to develop after World War ii , in which America defeated the Nazis and then spent billions of dollars to rebuild Germany and to bring it back into the civilized world.

But is trusting Germany a good idea? Germany started World Wars i and ii . Your Bible says it will also start World War iii . That war will be so destructive that it will bring about the Second Coming—Jesus Christ will have to return to Earth in order to stop mankind from annihilating itself with weapons of mass destruction!

Since the dawn of the Holy Roman Empire in a.d. 554, Germany has been a curse on this world in many ways. Most of the time, Germany has led this bloody church-state combine. This gruesome war machine will become a great enemy of America, Britain and the Jewish state in the Middle East—one final time.

Charlemagne’s Legacy

Some German and European leaders are lionizing the history of the Holy Roman Empire. There is strong evidence that some are actually preparing for one final resurrection of that empire!

The late European parliamentarian Otto von Habsburg said, “The [European] Community is living largely by the heritage of the Holy Roman Empire, though the great majority of the people who live by it don’t know by what heritage they live.” This means that our historians, politicians and the media are asleep and dangerously deceived about this empire.

Mr. Habsburg was a descendant of the Habsburg dynasty that ruled the Holy Roman Empire for 400 years. He was one of many leaders who have recognized the symbolic power of that empire. Referring to the crown that resides in a museum in Vienna, Austria, he said, “We possess a European symbol which belongs to all nations of Europe equally this is the crown of the Holy Roman Empire, which embodies the tradition of Charlemagne. ”

You are going to see that crown take on more than just symbolic meaning. That empire is prophesied to rise again! It is ready to burst on the world scene shortly—perhaps even in 2017! And the head of that empire will be a king with a crown! He will rule over all of Europe in the tradition of Charlemagne.

What is the tradition of Charlemagne? The Frankish King Charlemagne waded through rivers of blood to convert Europeans to Catholicism. If they didn’t convert, they died! You can read more about this history in our free booklet The Holy Roman Empire in Prophecy.

Charlemagne was the second head of the Holy Roman Empire Adolf Hitler was the sixth. Hitler also ruled in the spirit of Charlemagne, his hero . Charlemagne’s kingdom was the First Reich Hitler’s was the Third Reich. Yet, today, Germans are proud of Charlemagne’s legacy !

The 2002 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica offers this disturbing statement about Charlemagne’s forced conversion of the Saxons: “But the violent methods by which this missionary task was carried out had been unknown to the earlier Middle Ages, and the sanguinary [or bloody] punishment meted out to those who broke canon law or continued to engage in pagan practices called forth criticism in Charles’s own circle ….” Even Charlemagne’s closest advisers were alarmed by his bloody punishment of those who broke his canon law or engaged in pagan practices ! Those engaged in “pagan practices” were people who refused to practice his Catholic religion, which is filled with pagan practices, according to the Bible.

Despite the barbaric nature of its history, Europe still wants to resurrect the Holy Roman Empire in the tradition of Charlemagne ! So beware of what this empire is about to inflict on this world !

In his 1995 book The Rotten Heart of Europe, British economist Bernard Connolly wrote about an agreement signed in September 1978 between then French President Valéry Giscard d’Estaing and then German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt. The signing ceremony was held in Aachen, Germany, “principal seat and burial place of Charlemagne,” Connolly wrote. “The symbolism was heavily underlined in both France and Germany the two leaders paid a special visit to the throne of Charlemagne and a special service was held in the cathedral at the end of the summit, Giscard remarked that: ‘Perhaps when we discussed monetary problems, the spirit of Charlemagne brooded over us’ ” (emphasis mine).

Mr. Connolly also called the European Union a “cloak for German ambitions”! Insiders don’t want people to know the real motive behind the EU.

Historian Paul Johnson wrote in A History of Christianity, “We are right to regard the total Christianity of the Carolingian Age as one of the great formative phases of human history.” The Holy Roman Empire has left a permanent mark on history. We can expect the final resurgence of this kingdom to do more of the same.

Hitler’s Memoirs

The spirit of Charlemagne is alarmingly alive in Germany today.

Did you know that Hitler’s book Mein Kampf has become a bestseller? In his manifesto, he explained his anti-Semitic philosophy, his political views and his vision for Germany’s future, including annexing neighboring countries. It outlines the ideology that inspired him to try to exterminate the Jewish people—a goal that he nearly accomplished in Europe! During the World War ii era, 12.4 million copies of the book were published. The German government even gave copies to newlyweds as a wedding gift.

In 1945, after Hitler was defeated, the Allies gave control of the main Nazi publishing house to Bavaria, along with the rights to the book. “For 70 years, it refused to allow the inflammatory tract to be republished out of respect for victims of the Nazis and to prevent incitement of hatred,” reported Agence France-Presse (January 3). Recently, however, a publisher was given rights to reprint the book. It first planned to print only 4,000 copies, but because of high demand, the book is now on its sixth print run. Mein Kampf is flying off the shelves. Since its release in January of last year, 85,000 copies have sold!

This is a sign of horrible things to come. Germany and the Holy Roman Empire are rising on the world scene. This is what the success of Mein Kampf is all about.

Why are people not more concerned?

Germany and the Holy Roman Empire are a great mystery to this world. People don’t understand the truth about this conglomerate. There have been six resurrections of this empire so far, with a seventh one upon us.Why don’t people know more about an empire that has been one of the biggest world powers in history, especially for the last several hundred years?

Two Women

Do you know what the number one target of the Holy Roman Empire has been over the centuries? The truth of history is depicted in a spectacular way in biblical prophecy.

The book of Revelation describes the Holy Roman Empire as a union of church and state by using a powerful symbol: a woman riding a beast.

“So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns” (Revelation 17:3). Many prophecies use a woman as a symbol of a church. This woman is a “great whore” (verse 1)—a large false church that has unholy political dealings with governments all over the world.

And there is no better description of the terrible and destructive political-military machine that the Holy Roman Empire has been throughout history than a mighty beast. This empire has seven heads —seven distinct periods of dominance over a span of 1,500 years. You can follow these seven heads throughout history! There is tremendous destructive power here, and the church has been guiding it and riding it. We explain all this in The Holy Roman Empire in Prophecy.

“And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns” (verse 7). This woman is a mystery . God reveals the depths of her evils!

This beast power will “ascend out of the bottomless pit,” or come out of hiding, shocking everyone (verse 8). This time, the Holy Roman Empire will be more lethal than it has ever been before!

Now, notice this detail in John’s prophetic description: “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration” (verse 6). This woman has been getting drunk on the blood of God’s people throughout the centuries! I strongly urge you to learn about this vital subject by requesting a free copy of my book The True History of God’s True Church—And Its 2,000-Year War With the Great False Church.

This book explains the real spiritual power behind this false church and this unholy empire: Satan the devil. He hates God’s people and comes after them most of all.

Contrast the woman in Revelation 17 with the one depicted in Revelation 12. “And there appeared a great wonder in heaven a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars” (Revelation 12:1). This woman—also a symbol of a church—is brilliant and beautiful!

This is the true Church of God. Her crown of 12 stars is symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel. She is clothed with the sun. The sun produces more energy in just one second than the entire human species has consumed in its history! This shows the power of God behind His little Church, a remnant of loyal saints.

But see what happens to this woman: “And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads” (verses 2-3).

The devil is depicted as a dragon. In this prophecy, the symbol is actually expressed in terms of the Holy Roman Empire, which Satan inspires, controls and uses as his instrument! There are those seven heads —seven periods of that empire’s dominance—and Satan has ruled every one of them!

Here you see the Holy Roman Empire’s attack on God’s true Church in more detail: “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days” (verse 6). The “days” spoken of here are actually years in prophetic fulfillment. (You can see this “day for a year” principle of prophecy in scriptures like Ezekiel 4:6). God’s Church was forced to flee from the bloodthirsty Holy Roman Empire for 1,260 years!

This prophecy has a specific end-time counterpart. Put Revelation 17 together with other prophecies, and it is clear there is one last terrifying martyrdom coming. This Satan-inspired church-state combine is rising again, and as it has done so many times in the past, it is going to come after God’s people.

Those who are faithful to Him, God promises to protect in a place of safety. “And to the woman [the church of faithful saints] were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent” (Revelation 12:14). This period of 3½ years is elsewhere described as 42 months (Revelation 11:2 13:5)—or 1,260 days, not years.

But sadly, in this very end time, many of God’s people have rebelled against Him—and they will end up being slaughtered! (Revelation 12:17 13:7).

The Good News

Why would God record all these details in prophecy? It is because He wants to warn us about what is coming—so we can take action to repent and turn to Him for protection! He wants people to avoid these indescribable nightmares. God always warns before He allows such suffering!

The window of opportunity is closing—but there is still time to heed God’s warning and repent!

The beast in Revelation 17 is the final resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire, and it has “10 horns.” What are these horns? “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings , which have received no kingdom as yet but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast” (Revelation 17:12-13).

Watch Europe! This last “head” of the Holy Roman Empire is going to have 10 kings banding together, with one as the supreme head. Even today, Europe is looking for a strong leader who can resolve the challenges of European unity and move the project forward. You can be sure that this most powerful king will be from Germany. As has been the case so many times in history, Germany will preside over and control the whole empire.

There are over 100 prophecies that back up what you have read in this article! And world events are rapidly aligning to bring them to fulfillment!

As fearsome as this empire will be, though, the good news is that its evil reign of terror will last only a short time! As it rampages through its conquests, it will run straight into a power far greater than itself !

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings : and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful” (verse 14). Jesus Christ Himself will return and crush this destructive, perverted kingdom! Already He has an awesome, unstoppable plan in motion to replace it with His own rule on Earth! And we are very close to seeing His plan realized.

Making this prophecy even more inspiring is what it says about God’s saints—those who are “called, and chosen, and faithful” today. Christ will be “Lord of lords, and King of kings.” Who are those other “lords” and “kings” over whom Christ will rule? Revelation 1:6 says to God’s people that Christ “ hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father”!

These and many other Bible passages show that when Christ establishes His Kingdom on Earth, He will have a dedicated group of kings and priests serving under Him—not human kings and priests, but individuals who have been transformed into spirit, like God! Together, these God beings will help Christ crush the Holy Roman Empire and all other world powers, and bring peace , joy and happiness to the Earth forever!

If you dedicate yourself to God’s work today, this is the tremendous reward that God promises you!

Nazi Germany and the Roman Empire

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Post by bf109e4 » 14 May 2006, 05:14

One thing I notice is that ancient Roman has influenced the Europe military history for very long time, as the ancient Roman represent "cilivisation", "disclipine" and "Bravery".

In fact there r two era that really try to assicate themselves to the Romans, one is the Napoleonic Era and the other the Third Riche. Ironically, both did not last very long.

Post by boko123 » 14 May 2006, 10:25

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Post by martinvonkleist » 23 May 2006, 07:06

Another similarity is roads. The Romans were great road builders. They had to move legions efficiently from one end of the empire to another. Hitler admired this so he built, and was going to build, many good quality autobahns and railways that would span continents. But this is where the similarities end. The Roman Empire and Nazi Germany were two totally different organisms, which really did'nt have anything in common with each other.

Post by Swordsman » 23 May 2006, 15:12

Post by eusebius » 23 May 2006, 16:23

People. read Albert Speer's 'Inside the Third Reich'. it gives you a hell of a lot of insight into how Hitler saw a Nazi architectural aesthetic mirroring Graeco-Roman traditions. Also, take a took at this succinct and fairly informative enrty in wikipedia:
Without doubt, whether you're talking about Hitler wanting to have structures such as the Nuremburg rally tribune built from marble so that even its ruins would reflect Romanesque glory a 1000 years into the future, or the excessive and grandiose plans for the Volkshalle in Berlin which would surpass in capacity and size the Roman Pantheon, Hitler, Speer and Nazi architects were guided by what that saw as a perverted neo-Romanesque architectural ethos.

Post by martinvonkleist » 24 May 2006, 16:40

Okay, Hitler was a fan of Graeco - Roman architecture. Sure, he wanted to create an empire lasting a thousand years, decorated with monumental classical architecture. So what. The second world war was Hitlers attempt to create this empire, but the thing is. he failed. There was no Nazi Germanic Empire. The Ancient Romans did not fail, they created an empire that in all of it's manifestations (republic, byzantine, etc. ) lasted over two thousand years. It's acheivements will echo throughout history forever. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a huge difference.

The Romans were quite a tolerant people, Hitler even aknowledged this. (Hitlers Table Talk, 49)
With few exceptions the Romans had a deep regard for the laws and traditions of the people they conquered. Wherever it was possible to adapt and accept local custom they did so. Rome itself was a multicultural environment and by the second century AD there were more foreigners ( slaves, immigrants, merchants, etc. ) living in Rome than the Romans themselves. This is what in the end destroyed the Roman Empire. These foreign communities introduced their own religions without interruption to the pact with the gods of the Roman State. Only when an institution or a person was seen as a threat to Roman power was it or the person removed. (not always succesfully) Sure, Romans practiced slavery, but the life of the average Roman slave was a lot better than the life of the average Nazi forced labour camp inmate. Do you think that the Nazis would tolerate the different beliefs, religions, and habits of the peoples they conquered . I think not.

The idea that Nazi Germany was like or similar to the Ancient Roman Empire is totally laughable. We are talking about two totally different schools of thought and ideologies. The differences between them vastly outweighs any percieved similarities. And remember this. The Romans thought of the Uncivilized Germanic Hoards as their enemies.


Founded as a military post ( Castrum Mogontiacum ) in the first century BC, over the centuries Mainz rose to be the capital of one of the most influential states of the Holy Roman Empire, the Electorate of Mainz. Remnants of an aqueduct, town gates and the famous 20-metre (66-feet)-high Drusus monument at the Mainz Citadel are what remains of the ancient era. Roman influences aside, Mainz is also known for being the birthplace of movable-type printing press invented by Johannes Gutenberg in the mid-15th century, and artefacts are on display at a museum in the city.

In ruins: The Roman empire in Germany

By today’s standards, the Romans were hedonistic, savage warriors – educated and cultured yet brutally barbaric. They are also considered one of the most powerful civilizations in history, dominating Europe for more than 1,200 years. Their mastery of architecture, engineering, government and law would become a foundation for modern civilization. Their military’s crushing power and enduring control – from monarch, to republic to empire – would influence further attempts to resurge imperialism, witnessed in both World Wars.

Today, 1,500 years after the fall of the Empire, we are still fascinated by the Romans, their legendary gladiators, lavish lifestyles and military genius. To gain insight into their lives, visit one of the many preserved Roman ruins and museums found across Europe. But before you head to Rome, consider that most of Germany was occupied by the Roman Empire at one point during its rule exceptional ruins, artifacts and architecture are discoverable right here in your host country.

Trier is Germany’s oldest city, founded by the Romans in 16 B.C. and named Augusta Treverorum after Emperor Augustus. In A.D. 306, Constantine the Great became emperor over the western region of the Roman Empire, and moved to Trier, the capital of the western front. A significant figure in world history, Constantine would soon control the entire Roman Empire, establish the Byzantine Empire and as the first Roman emperor to adopt Christianity, spread the religion among the Empire. Several Roman ruins in Trier, most of them attributed to Constantine, have been discovered and preserved Roman artifacts are also on display at local museums. Learn more about the following exhibitions and locations at the city’s official website.

Porta Nigra —This “Black Gate,” built around A.D. 180, is one of the most dramatic Roman remains in Germany, and one of the best preserved Roman gates in the world. Visitors may enter the interior, upper levels of the gate, and seasonal tours are provided.

St. Peter’s Cathedral – Although most of the cathedral is Medieval, the ”Dom” sits on the remains of Trier’s early Roman structures, including Constantine’s gigantic palace and basilica complex. Visitors may tour the excavated underground site to see columns, reliefs and tombs. Don’t miss the relic, Holy Tunic, supposedly worn by Jesus shortly before his crucifixion and later brought to Trier by Constantine’s mother, Helena.

The Basilica of Constantine — Constructed as Constantine’s audience hall, the Basilica is impressive its size and window optical illusion leading into the apse were designed to portray the emperor as larger than his audience. The building is now occupied as a church.

Imperial Baths of Trier — Constructed as part of Constantine’s renovation of Trier, the Imperial Baths are one of the most well-preserved and largest examples of Roman baths outside of Rome. Like the luxurious spas of today, Romans constructed bathhouses as both hygienic facilities and social gathering places. Superior engineering and plumbing systems allowed for heated water and flooring. Visit the labyrinth of rooms, tunnels and passageways below ground.

Trier Roman Amphitheatre — This well-preserved amphitheatre dates to at least to the second century and is one of the few Roman amphitheatres utilized for open air events. Originally it was capable of seating 20,000. Like other Roman amphitheatres, it was used for gladiator fights, executions and animal battles. The basement below the arena is still intact, with holding cells and hallways used to confine animals and prisoners during events.

Rheinisches Landesmuseum — The Rhineland Museum holds one of the best collections of Roman artifacts in Germany. Exhibits include architectural reliefs, columns, burial tombs, mosaics, jewelry, coins, sculptures and more.

St. Matthias Abbey — This Benedictine abbey is of the Medieval period, but within is an impressive Roman cemetery said to hold the remains of the last appointed apostle, Matthias. Matthias replaced Judas Iscariot as one of the twelve apostles after Iscariot’s betrayal of Jesus and subsequent suicide.

Although not the complete list of ruin sites, these will more than get you started on your discovery of the Romans among us. For more details about each of these ruins, or to learn about more locations with Roman ruins near Trier, visit www.trier-info.de/english.

Originally called Colonia Claudia Ara Agrippinensium, Romans founded Cologne in A.D. 50 as an outpost, which later became the capital of the Empire’s colonies in Lower Germany. Colonia Claudia continued to thrive as a Roman capital until the Franks’ occupation of 462. Today, Cologne is the fourth largest city in Germany and a center for culture and art, with more than 30 museums and 100 galleries.

Roman-Germanic Museum in Cologne — As one of the most visited museums in Germany, it holds three million Roman artifacts. Included are the reconstructed tomb of Poblicius, an exceptional collection of Roman glass and jewelry, and a complete mosaic floor with depictions of the life of Dionysos. The museum was actually built around the floor.

Praetorium — Beneath the Alt Rathaus is the structural remains of the praetorium, or parliament building from the Empire’s military command center in Colonia Claudia. Request a dual ticket when visiting the Roman-Germanic Museum to see both. Plus, see the Roman sewer exhibit and earthquake stimulator.

Weiden Roman Burial Chamber — Just 10 kilometers west of Cologne is a second century Roman tomb. This lavish burial chamber impresses with its architectural arches, intricately carved stone casket and busts.

Want to see more? You’ll find remains of watch towers, fortification walls and more around the city, such as at Komödienstraße and the corner of Tunistraße, and at the intersection of Zeughausstraße and St.-Alpen-Straße. For more Roman ruin locations, information about these sites and exhibits, visit www.museenkoeln.de.

The Romans founded a military camp here in 12 B.C., and colonized a settlement in A.D. 98 called Colonia Ulpia Traiana with a population of 10,000. In 1975, the Xanten Archaeological Park was opened and is Germany’s largest open-air museum. The park contains the original Roman Colonia Ulpia Traiana settlement, with partial reconstructions and ruins including an amphitheatre, temples, a city hall, bath house and homes. Visit www.xanten.de/en for more information.

The German Limes

Using the Danube, Rhine and North Sea as natural boundaries, the Romans built connecting fortified walls, called Limes Germanicus, to create territories that would help control their settlements from invasion. A 700-kilometer tourist road, called the German Limes Road, was built to allow tourists to follow the path of the limes, now UNESCO World Heritage Sites. It runs from Bad Hönningen on the banks of the Rhine through Rhineland-Palatinate, Hesse, Baden-Wurttemberg and Bavaria to Regensburg on the Danube. Along the road are several points of interest about Roman culture and history in Germany, including an original Roman fort, in Saalburg near Bad Homburg. For more information, visit the sites www.limesstrasse.de and whc.unesco.org.

Once you’ve navigated these locations, you may want to start creating a new list of Roman sites to see, perhaps in neighboring France. A good place to start would be in Nîmes the city’s amphitheatre, La Maison Carrée, and Pont du Gard aqueduct rival exhibits in Rome … but we’ll save that for another story.

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