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2018 Winners

Congratulations to all the winners of the British Podcast Awards 2018, chosen by over fifty international and UK judges working in the sector.

Podcast of the Year 2018

Griefcast [Apple Podcasts] Cariad Lloyd

Listeners' Choice Awards 2018

Kermode & Mayo's Film Review [Apple Podcasts] Somethin' Else for BBC Radio 5Live

Podcast Champion 2018

GOLD Once Upon A Time In Zombieville [Apple Podcasts] Bigmouth Audio [for BBC Radio Scotland]

SILVER The Adoption [Apple Podcasts] The World at One [for BBC Radio 4]

BRONZE Dirty Mother Pukka [Apple Podcasts] Mother Pukka

Best Culture Podcast

GOLD The Two Shot Podcast [Apple Podcasts] Thomas Griffin and Craig Parkinson

SILVER Writer's Routine [Apple Podcasts] Dan Simpson

BRONZE Literary Friction [Apple Podcasts] Carrie Plitt and Octavia Bright


Podcasts

Pine Tree Foundation Endowed Lecture In conversation with Dr. Steven Larson, Associate Professor of Emergency Medicine at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. Acclaimed for his “exceptional empathy and care” ( Boston Globe ) as a… more

In conversation with Tamala Edwards, anchor, 6ABC Action News morning edition Acclaimed for bringing “a clear-eyed, investigative fearlessness” ( The Washington Post ) to a diverse range of topics, Lawrence Wright is a longtime staff writer for… more

In conversation with Tracey Matisak, award-winning journalist and broadcaster In appreciation of the George S. Pepper Society Carol Anderson is the author of the National Book Critics Circle Award winner White Rage , “a riveting and disturbing… more

In conversation with Christina Baker Kline, author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Orphan Train , A Piece of the World , and The Exiles Michael Punke is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller The Revenant , “a superb revenge story” (… more

In conversation with Michael Smerconish Five-time Pennsylvania Sportswriter of the Year, Ray Didinger covered the NFL for The Philadelphia Bulletin and the Philadelphia Daily News for over 25 years. He has authored or coauthored 11 books about… more

In conversation with Reggie Shuford, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Pennsylvania. The Executive Director of the Atlantic Center for Capital Representation, Marc Bookman is an internationally renowned expert on… more

In conversation Trapeta Mayson, Philadelphia Poet Laureate A reflection of the heartrending turmoils of racial injustice and brutality against Black Americans amidst the fear and uncertainty of a pandemic, There’s a Revolution Outside, My Love… more

In conversation with Mark Zandi, Chief Economist, Moody’s Analytics The senior United States Senator from Minnesota, Amy Klobuchar chairs the Senate Rules Committee the Judiciary Subcommittee on Competition Policy, Antitrust, and Consumer… more

Horace W. Goldsmith Foundation Endowed Lecture In conversation with Tracey Matisak, award-winning broadcaster and journalist Annette Gordon-Reed won the Pulitzer Prize and the National Book Award for The Hemingses of Monticello: An American… more

Celebrated for his skill at “elucidating crucial episodes in the history of art and architecture” (Time ), Ross King is the author of many bestselling nonfiction books that peak behind the curtain of history of the studios, workshops, and inner… more

In conversation with Tamala Edwards, anchor, 6ABC Action News morning edition Natalie Cohn Memorial Lecture A “hero on the left” ( Washington Post ) for her vocal support of progressive legislation and issues, Mazie K. Hirono is the only… more

In conversation with Chris Jackson, Publisher & Editor-in-Chief, One World and Khadijah Costley White, Assistant Professor in the Department of Journalism and Media Studies at Rutgers University Winning on a platform of prison reform in a city… more

In conversation with Deb Perelman Reem Kassis is the author of The Palestinian Table , a guide to Middle Eastern cooking woven together through recipes, regional history, and three generations of family traditions. Praised by fellow… more

In conversation with Bob Mankoff, cartoonist, cartoon and humor editor for Esquire, and former cartoon editor, The New Yorker Across the political spectrum, throughout history, the U.S. public has demanded the suppression of ideas and images… more

Deborah Willis, Ph.D. , is the author of Posing Beauty: African American Images from the 1890s to the Present Reflections in Black: A History of Black Photographers, 1840 to the Present and Michelle Obama: The First Lady in Photographs ,… more

Ellis Wachs Endowed Lecture In conversation with Tracey Matisak, award-winning broadcaster and journalist Kate Masur is the author of An Example for All the Land , a Lincoln Prize finalist that examined Washington, D.C.’s role as a 19th century… more

Jill and Sheldon Bonovitz Endowed Lecture Joby Warrick won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction for Black Flags , “a revealing, riveting and exquisitely detailed account” ( San Francisco Chronicle ) of the rise of ISIS and its mastermind’s life… more

In conversation with Ambassador John Limbert, US Deputy Secretary of State for Iran (2009-10) former hostage in the US Embassy in Tehran (1979-81) An author, historian, and former journalist, John Ghazvinian is the Executive Director of the… more

In conversation with Eric Foner, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery and Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution , winner of the Bancroft, Parkman, and Los Angeles Times Book prizes.… more

A senior fellow and the director of technology and development at the Center for Global Development, Charles Kenny has extensively contributed to policy reforms in global health, UN peacekeeping, and international financial corruption, among many… more


Blackbird with James Jenneman James Jenneman

Pavel is back! We’ve been in a bit of a crypto market slump lately (I’m not actually broke per se. I’m still in the green, but man…it’s been a painful month), so I wanted to find out what he thinks is up with that. We also get into decentralized finance (DeFi), the benefits of proof of stake and why Pavel thinks Bitcoin maximalists are misguided, and why religious fervor is par for the course in everything right now. Check it out!

Since this deals with a pretty time-sensitive topic, I’ll let you know we recorded late in the morning on Monday, June 14. Since you’re in the future, things might have changed since then. Can Teslas fly yet?

Projects mentioned (Coingecko links): Synthetix, AAVE, Bancor, REN, Chainlink

Recommended Reading: How to DeFi

BeYou Enterprises invites you back to your own body. Juliet Nail teaches yoga and other body awareness techniques to help you and your employees reach their wellness goals. Get in touch with Juliet today.

Want to hang out with me, Thad Russell, Buck Johnson, Scott Horton, Cody Wilson, Hotep Jesus, Deirdre McCloskey, and Jack the Perfume Nationalist? Come to Austin in October for RU Texas. You don’t want to miss it!

Join me at Thad Russell’s Renegade University. RU is pumping out new courses so fast that I’m not even going to link to the particular classes anymore. Just go check it out! You’re bound to find something that scratches your itch.

Thad is partnering with Scott Horton to bring you Scott’s two Renegade University courses and his new book, Enough Already: Time to End The War on Terror, as a super inexpensive package deal. Buy it now!

I’ve renewed my Basic Membership to Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom so many times that I finally just sprung for the lifetime Master Membership. I recommend you do the same. You’ll get unlimited access to courses on history, economics, political theory, logic, and even literature taught by liberty-loving professors from colleges and universities around the world. It’s the antidote to the cathedral.

Be sure you’re following me on Twitter.

If you watch the show on YouTube, switch to Odyssee. This decentralized platform will give you a clear conscience and make me a tiny amount of money (at no cost to you).

Become a paying subscriber for bonus episodes, written content, and your very own private podcast feed.

Find my other social links along with all the crypto donation options you can possibly stand at blackbirdpodcast.com/follow.

(Note: I use affiliate links. By clicking the sponsored links above, I may earn a commission at no additional cost to you when you make a purchase. Using my affiliate links is a great way to support the show, and I really appreciate it!)

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BB32: Individuality with Nick Ashley

Listen now (57 min) | Individuality with Nick Ashley As you know, I sometimes record these things a couple of weeks in advance. Since the time this episode was recorded, half of liberty twitter has asked guest Nick Ashley for his nudes, he somehow made gazebos a thing, and he hijacked

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BB30: Getting Back Into Your Body with Juliet Nail

Getting Back Into Your Body with Juliet Nail

Juliet Nail of BeYou Enterprises is one of my favorite people. Her energy and enthusiasm are more contagious than some dumb ol’ virus. We’ve hung out in person a number of times (shoutouts to Cuppa Java in Minneapolis). She’s even given me a couple of great workouts. And, of course, since she’s a longtime sponsor of the show, you’ve heard her name lots of times. So I wanted to get her on to talk about her business and the way she sees the world.

Get set up with your own training program from BeYou Enterprises

BeYou Enterprises invites you back to your own body. Juliet Nail teaches yoga and other body awareness techniques to help you and your employees reach their wellness goals. Get in touch with Juliet today.

Want to hang out with me, Thad Russell, Buck Johnson, Scott Horton, Cody Wilson, Hotep Jesus, Deirdre McCloskey, and Jack the Perfume Nationalist? Come to Austin in October for RU Texas. You don’t want to miss it!

I either host or attend lots of liberty-oriented events in the Twin Cities. If you want to meet in person, come hang out! I use the evil Facebook to keep track of these because it’s free and everyone is there. Join Twin Cities Liberty Meetups for more info!

Join me at Thad Russell’s Renegade University. RU is pumping out new courses so fast that I’m not even going to link to the particular classes anymore. Just go check it out! You’re bound to find something that scratches your itch.

Thad is partnering with Scott Horton to bring you Scott’s two Renegade University courses and his new book, Enough Already: Time to End The War on Terror, as a super inexpensive package deal. Buy it now!

I’ve renewed my Basic Membership to Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom so many times that I finally just sprung for the lifetime Master Membership. I recommend you do the same. You’ll get unlimited access to courses on history, economics, political theory, logic, and even literature taught by liberty-loving professors from colleges and universities around the world. It’s the antidote to the cathedral.

Be sure you’re following me on Twitter.

If you watch the show on YouTube, switch to Odyssee. This decentralized platform will give you a clear conscience and make me a tiny amount of money (at no cost to you).

Become a paying subscriber for bonus episodes, written content, and your very own private podcast feed.

Find my other social links along with all the crypto donation options you can possibly stand at blackbirdpodcast.com/follow.

(Note: I use affiliate links. By clicking the sponsored links above, I may earn a commission at no additional cost to you when you make a purchase. Using my affiliate links is a great way to support the show, and I really appreciate it!)

This is a public episode. Get access to private episodes at blackbird.substack.com/subscribe

BB29: What happened at Squatch Fest with Miguel Duque (plus a personal catch-up)

What happened at Squatch Fest with Miguel Duque

My chat with Brian Norton last month got me pumped about The Sasquatch Freedom Festival: Spring Awakening and regretting my inability to attend. So I had to hear from someone who attended. Enter my friend, confidante, and personal productivity coach Miguel Duque. You’ll remember Miguel from way back on episode 9 of my old Urban Agorist podcast. Listen to this episode to hear about the glory of freedom-oriented festivals, along with us just catching up on life, liberty, and our pursuit of happiness.

Hire Miguel as your coach. Seriously, do it.

Watch Miguel do the Blazin’ Challenge.

Check out Squatch Fest. They’ll be doing events every Autumn and Spring.

I told you to hire him as your coach already, and here’s an ad to convince you further: Productivity coach Miguel Duque founded amagi.life to pursue his personal mission to lay the foundations for a voluntary, peaceful world through leadership, philosophy, and love. He’s been my coach since I started this show, helping me to set and reach goals and keep myself accountable. If you’re ready to level up your professional productivity, get in touch with Miguel today!

Join me at Thad Russell’s Renegade University. His postmodernism course is available on replay now. Check out the other offerings to enroll in current and future courses. I think you’ll be particularly interested in what’s coming up in March, a course with CTRL+Pew.

I’ve renewed my Basic Membership to Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom so many times that I finally just sprung for the lifetime Master Membership. I recommend you do the same. You’ll get unlimited access to courses on history, economics, political theory, logic, and even literature taught by liberty-loving professors from colleges and universities around the world. It’s the antidote to the cathedral.

You can now find all my links and updates at https://blackbirdpodcast.com/follow. That’s also a good way to send me crypto if you’re so inclined.

Be sure you’re following me on Twitter and Minds. Follow the Blackbird Telegram channel to join the conversation.

If you’re reading this on Substack, you can subscribe to the show on any podcast app simply by searching Blackbird with James Jenneman.

If you watch the show on YouTube, switch to Odyssee. This decentralized platform will give you a clear conscience and make me a tiny amount of money (at no cost to you).

Become a paying subscriber for bonus episodes, written content, and your very own private podcast feed.

(Note: I use affiliate links. By clicking the sponsored links above, I may earn a commission at no additional cost to you when you make a purchase. Using my affiliate links is a great way to support the show, and I really appreciate it!)

Get full access to Blackbird at blackbird.substack.com/subscribe

BB28: Asking the Right Questions with the Gr**t Stefan Molyneux

Listen now | Asking the Right Questions with the Gr**t Stefan Molyneux Stefan Molyneux (none dare call him great) is perhaps the most controversial figure in the libertarian sphere. I recently heard an interview with him wherein he said he had found success in life by knowing “the right questions” to ask himself. I wanted to dig a little deeper into this.

This is a public episode. Get access to private episodes at blackbird.substack.com/subscribe

BB27: Making Sense with LB Muniz

Making Sense with LB Muniz

LB Muniz is the best of the best when it comes to the new guard of libertarian podcasters. He hosts the Been Awake Podcast for Better Sensemaking and publishes frequent written content. He’s a masterful exposer of propaganda, a skeptical thinker, and philosopher. Unlike most of the new guard, his output is predominantly his own thought rather than interviews. (That said, he has interviewed me, so go check that out before you listen to this.)

If there’s an episode of Blackbird you don’t want to miss, it’s this one.

Subscribe to Been Awake with your email

BeYou Enterprises invites you back to your own body. Juliet Nail teaches yoga and other body awareness techniques to help you and your employees reach their wellness goals. Get in touch with Juliet today.

Join me at Thad Russell’s Renegade University. His postmodernism course is available on replay now. Check out the other offerings to enroll in current and future courses. I think you’ll be particularly interested in what’s coming up in March, a course with CTRL+Pew.

I’ve renewed my Basic Membership to Tom Woods’s Liberty Classroom so many times that I finally just sprung for the lifetime Master Membership. I recommend you do the same. You’ll get unlimited access to courses on history, economics, political theory, logic, and even literature taught by liberty-loving professors from colleges and universities around the world. It’s the antidote to the cathedral.

You can now find all my links and updates at https://blackbirdpodcast.com/follow. That’s also a good way to send me crypto if you’re so inclined.

Be sure you’re following me on Twitter and Minds. Follow the Blackbird Telegram channel to join the conversation.

If you’re reading this on Substack, you can subscribe to the show on any podcast app simply by searching Blackbird with James Jenneman.

If you watch the show on YouTube, switch to Odyssee. This decentralized platform will give you a clear conscience and make me a tiny amount of money (at no cost to you).

Become a paying subscriber for bonus episodes, written content, and your very own private podcast feed.

(Note: I use affiliate links. By clicking the sponsored links above, I may earn a commission at no additional cost to you when you make a purchase. Using my affiliate links is a great way to support the show, and I really appreciate it!)


Banking With Life Podcast James Neathery

Discover the details of Infinite Banking, Economics & History.

Let the Base Drop or Pump up the Premium? Going Deeper On Design (BWL POD #0090)

In this episode of The Banking With Life Podcast, James and Ryan talk about some stories from the frontlines. From those stories they wind up talking about debt and capital reserves. As always, we hope you enjoy and thank you for listening!━━━ Become a client! ➫ http://bankingwithlife.com/ Buy Nelson Nash's 6.5 hour Seminar on DVD here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/product/the-5-part-6.5-hour-video-series-nelson-nash-recorded-live/ (Call us at (817) 790-0405 or email us at [email protected] for a DISCOUNT CODE) Register for our free webinar to learn more about Infinite Banking. ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com/getting-s. ━━━ Implement the Infinite Banking Concept® with the Infinite Banking Starter Kit. The Starter Kit includes Becoming Your Own Banker by R. Nelson Nash and the Banking With Life DVD by James Neathery. It's the perfect primer for everyone interested in becoming their own banker. Buy your starter kit here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/exclu. ━━━ Learn more about James Neathery here: ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com Learn more about Ryan Griggs here: ➫ https://griggscapitalstrategies.com ━━━ Listen on your iPhone through iTunes: ➫ https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/b. Listen on your Android through Stitcher: ➫ https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/bank. Listen on Soundcloud: ➫ https://soundcloud.com/banking-with-l. ━━━ Follow us on Facebook: ➳ https://www.facebook.com/jamescneathery/ ━━━ Disclaimer: All content on this site is for informational purposes only. The content shared is not intended to be a substitute for consultation with the appropriate professional. Opinions expressed herein are solely those of James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc., unless otherwise specifically cited. The data that is presented is believed to be from reliable sources and no representations are made by James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc. as to another party's informational accuracy or completeness. All information or ideas provided should be discussed in detail with your Adviser, Financial Planner, Tax Consultant, Attorney, Investment Adviser or the appropriate professional prior to taking any action.

What can one IBC® policy do? (Part 1) - Mike W. - (BWL POD #0089)

In this two-part episode of The Banking With Life Podcast, James speaks with client Mike W. about his introduction to IBC®, R. Nelson Nash, the value of work, and all the amazing opportunities that became available to him practicing the Infinite Banking Concept® in his life. As always, we hope you enjoy and thank you for listening!━━━Become a client! ➫ http://bankingwithlife.com/ Buy Nelson Nash's 6.5 hour Seminar on DVD here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/product/the-5-part-6.5-hour-video-series-nelson-nash-recorded-live/ (Call us at (817) 790-0405 or email us at [email protected] for a DISCOUNT CODE) Register for our free webinar to learn more about Infinite Banking. ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com/getting-s. ━━━ Implement the Infinite Banking Concept® with the Infinite Banking Starter Kit. The Starter Kit includes Becoming Your Own Banker by R. Nelson Nash and the Banking With Life DVD by James Neathery. It's the perfect primer for everyone interested in becoming their own banker. Buy your starter kit here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/exclu. ━━━ Learn more about James Neathery here: ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com ━━━ Listen on your iPhone through iTunes: ➫ https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/b. Listen on your Android through Stitcher: ➫ https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/bank. Listen on Soundcloud: ➫ https://soundcloud.com/banking-with-l. ━━━Follow us on Facebook: ➳ https://www.facebook.com/jamescneathery/ ━━━ Disclaimer: All content on this site is for informational purposes only. The content shared is not intended to be a substitute for consultation with the appropriate professional. Opinions expressed herein are solely those of James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc., unless otherwise specifically cited. The data that is presented is believed to be from reliable sources and no representations are made by James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc. as to another party's informational accuracy or completeness. All information or ideas provided should be discussed in detail with your Adviser, Financial Planner, Tax Consultant, Attorney, Investment Adviser or the appropriate professional prior to taking any action.

PUA, Last Minute Tax Changes, & New Calculations "7702" (BWL Q&A #23)

The Q&A series is designed to help you become more knowledgeable in the Infinite Banking Concept®. Email us at [email protected] if you have a question you'd like answered in the series! Today's Questions: 0:20 - What is PUA? 1:52 - Can NNI revoke the "IBC® title"? 3:35 - Consolidated Appropriations Act 2021 & new IBC® policies 5:12 - What dictates my insurability? 6:17 - Policies for future grandchildren 7:42 - Policy prioritization 8:27 - Favorite IBC® asset to start with 9:52 - Do you own gold? 10:16 - Podcast on new tax changes? 11:27 - Refuting IBC® criticism ━━━ https://infinitebanking.org/ A Misdiagnosis of IBC® ➫ Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFhDwQYDxo0 ➫ Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzUbG00cLDE Become a client! ➫ http://bankingwithlife.com/ Buy Nelson Nash's 6.5 hour Seminar on DVD here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/product/the-5-part-6.5-hour-video-series-nelson-nash-recorded-live/ (Call us at (817) 790-0405 or email us at [email protected] for a DISCOUNT CODE) Register for our free webinar to learn more about Infinite Banking. ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com/getting-s. ━━━ Implement the Infinite Banking Concept® with the Infinite Banking Starter Kit. The Starter Kit includes Becoming Your Own Banker by R. Nelson Nash and the Banking With Life DVD by James Neathery. It's the perfect primer for everyone interested in becoming their own banker. Buy your starter kit here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/exclu. ━━━ Learn more about James Neathery here: ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com ━━━ Listen on your iPhone through iTunes: ➫ https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/b. Listen on your Android through Stitcher: ➫ https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/bank. Listen on Soundcloud: ➫ https://soundcloud.com/banking-with-l. ━━━ Disclaimer: All content on this site is for informational purposes only. The content shared is not intended to be a substitute for consultation with the appropriate professional. Opinions expressed herein are solely those of James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc., unless otherwise specifically cited. The data that is presented is believed to be from reliable sources and no representations are made by James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc. as to another party's informational accuracy or completeness. All information or ideas provided should be discussed in detail with your Adviser, Financial Planner, Tax Consultant, Attorney, Investment Adviser or the appropriate professional prior to taking any action.

Additional "Interest"? An IBC® FAQ (BWL POD #0087)

In this episode of the Banking With Life Podcast, James & Ryan discuss Part IV of Equipment Financing from R. Nelson Nash's first book, "Becoming Your Own Banker". They answer specific questions regarding interest and loan repayments. As always, we hope you enjoy and thank you for listening!━━━Become a client!➫ http://bankingwithlife.com/Buy Nelson Nash's 6.5 hour Seminar on DVD here:➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/product/the-5-part-6.5-hour-video-series-nelson-nash-recorded-live/ (Call us at (817) 790-0405 or email us at [email protected] for a DISCOUNT CODE)Register for our free webinar to learn more about Infinite Banking. ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com/getting-s. ━━━Implement the Infinite Banking Concept® with the Infinite Banking Starter Kit. The Starter Kit includes Becoming Your Own Banker by R. Nelson Nash and the Banking With Life DVD by James Neathery. It's the perfect primer for everyone interested in becoming their own banker.Buy your starter kit here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/exclu. ━━━Learn more about James Neathery here: ➫ https://bankingwithlife.comLearn more about Ryan Griggs here: ➫ https://griggscapitalstrategies.com━━━Listen on your iPhone through iTunes: ➫ https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/b. Listen on your Android through Stitcher: ➫ https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/bank. Listen on Soundcloud: ➫ https://soundcloud.com/banking-with-l. ━━━Follow us on Facebook: ➳ https://www.facebook.com/jamescneathery/━━━Disclaimer: All content on this site is for informational purposes only. The content shared is not intended to be a substitute for consultation with the appropriate professional. Opinions expressed herein are solely those of James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc., unless otherwise specifically cited. The data that is presented is believed to be from reliable sources and no representations are made by James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc. as to another party's informational accuracy or completeness. All information or ideas provided should be discussed in detail with your Adviser, Financial Planner, Tax Consultant, Attorney, Investment Adviser or the appropriate professional prior to taking any action.

Banking With Life Podcast *Highlights* #3

In this highlights episode of The Banking With Life Podcast we bring you some great clips from the past three months. Sit back, relax, and listen to some truth. As always, we hope you enjoy and thank you for listening! Make sure to like and subscribe to join us weekly on the Banking With Life Podcast! ━━━Become a client! ➫ http://bankingwithlife.com/ Buy Nelson Nash's 6.5 hour Seminar on DVD here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/product/the-5-part-6.5-hour-video-series-nelson-nash-recorded-live/ (Call us at (817) 790-0405 or email us at [email protected] for a DISCOUNT CODE) Register for our free webinar to learn more about Infinite Banking. ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com/getting-s. ━━━ Implement the Infinite Banking Concept® with the Infinite Banking Starter Kit. The Starter Kit includes Becoming Your Own Banker by R. Nelson Nash and the Banking With Life DVD by James Neathery. It's the perfect primer for everyone interested in becoming their own banker. Buy your starter kit here: ➫ https://www.bankingwithlife.com/exclu. ━━━ Learn more about James Neathery here: ➫ https://bankingwithlife.com ━━━ Listen on your iPhone through iTunes: ➫ https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/b. Listen on your Android through Stitcher: ➫ https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/bank. Listen on Soundcloud: ➫ https://soundcloud.com/banking-with-l. ━━━ Follow us on Facebook: ➳ https://www.facebook.com/jamescneathery/ ━━━ Disclaimer: All content on this site is for informational purposes only. The content shared is not intended to be a substitute for consultation with the appropriate professional. Opinions expressed herein are solely those of James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc., unless otherwise specifically cited. The data that is presented is believed to be from reliable sources and no representations are made by James C. Neathery & Associates, Inc. as to another party's informational accuracy or completeness. All information or ideas provided should be discussed in detail with your Adviser, Financial Planner, Tax Consultant, Attorney, Investment Adviser or the appropriate professional prior to taking any action.

Bibles, "BYOB", & 16 Years of IBC® (Part 2) - Barry Page - (BWL POD #0086)


P.D.F. Resources

First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy envisioned a restored White House that conveyed a sense of history through its decorative and fine arts. She sought to inspire Americans, especially children, to explore and engage with American history and its presidents. In 1961, the nonprofit, nonpartisan White House Historical Association was established to support her vision to preserve and share the Executive Mansion’s legacy for generations to come. Supported entirely by private resources, the Association’s mission is to assist in the preservation of the state and public rooms, fund acquisitions for the White House permanent collection, and educate the public on the history of the White House. Since its founding, the Association has given more than $50 million to the White House in fulfillment of its mission.


Dan George

Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. Dan and his wife, Kim, subsequently left Harvest, but remain committed to the integrity of the Church and caring for those who have been hurt in the Church. Dan currently is an executive and leadership coach and the founder of Front Seat Leadership.

What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James McDonald? And what happened and all the backroom meetings, private conversations and phone calls leading up to that fateful event? Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I’m Julie Roys. And today you’re going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. Dan was one of the elders who fired James McDonald. He was in the many meetings leading up to McDonald’s termination. And he was the elder who insisted that scathing letters written by former and current staff at Harvest actually reached the members of the board. As you’ll hear in this podcast, there was a strong push to suppress those letters by those loyal to James McDonald. And had those letters not reach the board, it’s hard to say where James McDonald would be today. Dan also was in numerous meetings with James McDonald prior to his firing. And you’re going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. But it’s also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. So it’s critically important that the truth be told. But before I dive into my interview with Dan, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of the Roys report, Judson University and Marquardt of Barrington. There would be no Roy’s Report without Judson University. So I’m deeply grateful for their faithful support. Judson is a top ranked Christian university providing a caring community and an excellent college experience. Plus, the school offers more than 60 majors, great leadership opportunities and strong financial aid. Judson is located on a beautiful 90 acre campus just 36 miles northwest of Chicago. Judson University is shaping lives that shape the world. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. Also, if you’re in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. The owners of Marquardt are friends of mine, Dan and Kurt Marquardt. And in case you don’t know, Dan Marquardt was one of three former elders at Harvest, who stood up to James McDonald in 2013, and was excommunicated as a result. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. For more information on Marquardt Buick go to buyacar123.com. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders who’s apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. So, Dan, thank you for that. And welcome to the podcast.

Well, you’re welcome. Julie. Good to be here.

Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. But this is a story that just is not going away. Then let me just ask you from the start, why are you doing this? Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened?

I think of a few things Julie. One is, I don’t want people to give up on the church. Because I believe in the church. And you know, shepherds, I think of John 10, right, the the hireling runs away, the Good Shepherd stays. And there’s Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. And I want to help people lead the church well.

And what’s so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. And many who have followed this story know what James McDonald has done. But like I said, He’s really working hard to rewrite history. And so what I’d like to do is just rewind a couple of years to fall 2018. And this is when everything really started happening. I had been investigating Harvest for months. But it was at this point that I started to reach out to Harvest and really seeking their comment on some of the things that I had heard. And then out of the blue, I get slapped with a lawsuit from James McDonald before I published anything.

It didn’t sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoney’s, and the Bryant’s. If you went back to when the Elephant’s Debt was launched, I think this is telling. That was positioned as an attack from the start. The leaders were brought together. It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. I don’t know how many people had heard of it. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. It was in the very, very early days of its launch. It was positioned as an attack because the ministry was growing and those people were bitter, etc. That was a very common part of how Harvest approached things like that. The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. And then you know, you would categorize these things.

So you weren’t part of the lawsuit. However, you did sign a letter of unconditional support. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. That would have been December I think 18th, 2018. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonald’s part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. Again, you’re seeing it from a total other perspective where I’m the bad guy, James is a good guy. And I’m just trying to smear him. Is that an accurate representation?

Yes, it is. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one o’clock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. And I hadn’t I hadn’t signed that yet, I hadn’t given a statement yet. And I checked my voicemail. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. And if I would, you know, post some sort of statement. And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. One, it’s impossible, and we’re gonna get killed, we’re gonna get slaughtered on that. You can unconditionally love someone. You can’t unconditionally support anybody. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, that’s a check. I shouldn’t be doing this. But, at whatever time it was, you know, midnight in India or something sitting in the lobby, I sent an email, put my name on it, here’s my statement. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldn’t have done it. I wish I’d never done it. And I have, you know, probably probably six weeks later, less than, probably four weeks later or something I I apologized for signing that.

Understandable. And again, you’re one of the people who actually apologized for that. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. So appreciate that and appreciate your humility. So let’s move on to these letters. Again, six, absolutely scathing letters. Five of the six have been published. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. There’s a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who’s a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. Is that how it went down?

No, it’s not how it went down, Julie. If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. He wasn’t bringing it to the elders and through a discussion with a couple of the pastors, chose to give it to the elders, which we were thankful for. So he did that. And Dean Butter’s letter came in that way as well. But the one letter that isn’t published came from Sandy Song. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. I knew letters were coming to the elder board per First Timothy 5. This wasn’t anything else. These were people bringing charges against an elder. And scripture is really clear that it’s got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. I said, again, please don’t do it just because I’m asking you. And she immediately said, I’ll write a letter. And so she sent me a letter before it went to the elder board. She wanted me to look at it. And I got it. And I looked at it, and I could not read the whole letter in one sitting. I felt physically sick reading the letter. I stepped away from my computer a couple of times. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. She sends it to me and I wrote it. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. I said, Sandy, I’m so sorry, for what happened on my watch. I didn’t know these things were going on, but I’m so sorry. And you know, told her that I would get it to the motherboard.

Can you say what was in that letter? Because again, that was one letter that never got published and the contents, other than what Ron Duitsman said in his recent video because he actually referenced that letter. Can you share what was in it?

Yeah, I can share some of it. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. And this wasn’t a one time thing. This was a many time thing. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nation’s tour when they were in Haiti. And the demands that James McDonald made to try to go home a day early.

And again, I’m going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. I mean, here he is in Haiti, that’s just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. And you have James McDonald coming in, from the United States, getting off the plane for a little bit, doing a few meetings, which I guess he complained about doing. And then saying, I need a private jet to fly me home. Am I characterizing that correctly?

You’re, you’re characterizing it correctly. And when I read that, I just shook my head. We’re talking about the difference of maybe a day. And we’re talking about a private jet.

But James McDonald, he did not like to fly with the commoners, from what I understand. I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. So these letters, and this is what I found really riveting about your story, is when these letters were first given, as you said, they were given to pastors, with the exception of Sandy’s letter that went directly to you. And you then forwarded them to the elder board. But the other letters, my understanding is they came in, and you’re in a meeting with the other elders. And I don’t know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didn’t think that the elders should read all of them.

Tell me about that meeting and what he did.

So that’s, that’s February 5, 2019. That’s a Tuesday night. So we’re in the meeting. And now think about this. There’s 30 men in the room. And most of them, a number of them, I’ll say, have not read any of these letters.

So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right?

Yes, yeah, there were a number of people. It was a large elder board. Not saying anything about the about the men in the room, but that becomes unwieldy. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? And as people rotated through, there were newer people on the board, and they wouldn’t have really had a lot of access to to James McDonald. However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? And if he doesn’t, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? There was a spirited discussion of the letters and who should be able to read the letters. There were voices raised. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldn’t even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. And there were several of us saying, you know, looking at I Timothy 5, looking at Hebrews 13:17, which tells us that elders are going to give an account. I remember talking and saying, guys, we’re all going to give an account to the Lord one day for what we’re doing in this meeting. And we shouldn’t be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? This is this is one of the biggest things elders could do. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night.

And let’s just, for people who don’t know, tell them who Rick Donald is and the position he held and his relation to James McDonald.

Yeah. So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. He had joined, I think a year into, into Harvest’s history. And by that time Harvest was 30, in it’s 31st. year. So Rick had been there 29 plus years.

And very loyal to James McDonald.

Very loyal to James McDonald. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. And I remember being in the meeting thinking, I can’t believe we’re arguing about this.

Wow! So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Right? The elder board is still in the dark.

Yeah. Now what we did do is there were probably I don’t remember the number Julie. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one o’clock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. And it was a pretty tough meeting. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. And this is this was this was hard, but at the end of the night, we talked through it, we shared things from the letters. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point.

Okay. And that was a big question. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. If he’s fired, and it’s in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. That’s that’s a much harder relaunch. So then James McDonald flies in, right? And, and the drama begins. So walk us through the drama of that weekend, James McDonald trying to save his job. And when he sees he can’t save it, it sounds like then he was trying to lobby for being able to resign, and a lot of emotional manipulation being used that weekend from from what you’ve told me. So what happened?

Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. On Thursday, the seventh, I got a text from one of the elders who said, Call me if you can before such and such a time. I stepped into a conference room. I called him. And he said, you know, James Macdonald had requested that I come out to a meeting and he had requested Mike Dunwoody and one other elder Mark Hopwood was a longtime elder from Elgin that we would all join them for a meeting at seven o’clock on that Thursday night. It was a four hour meeting. And to give you the flavor of the meeting, when I walked in the room, and we all greeted each other, we were in the former executive pastor’s office around an oval table, and James McDonald sitting across from me. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what you’re going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and it’s going to be on you.

So I had a pretty good sense of what the meeting was gonna be from that point on.

And that’s got to be a heavy. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. This man has been your pastor for decades.

And to hear that, it’s still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, I’m moving forward.

Both are true. I remember praying before the Harvest Elgin campus as a garage, and it’s a former corporate space. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. And I stopped my car. And I sat and prayed. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me what’s going on. And with that opening, I felt like it was confirmed. I knew that I wasn’t going to win any arguments in the room. I also knew that I needed to talk enough so that it wasn’t like, well, this what’s what’s going on with him? Because I’m not a quiet guy in meetings. There were times in the meeting where, you know, I didn’t even know what gaslighting was. I wish I didn’t. Still. But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I don’t remember that. I didn’t, I didn’t argue with him. What’s the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, you’re gonna say you don’t remember that part. But one of the circumstances he’s talking about, he’s talking about something specific where I’d stood up for him in a meeting years ago. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didn’t remember like, I’m not buying it, right? It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though.

And at this point, the letters, what had happened with the letters? Had they reached all the elders at this point?

I had all the letters at that point. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, I’m going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. I think of the timing, I think it was earlier that day, that I actually I sent I had sent Sandy’s letter out, because Sandy sent, she addressed her letter to the elder board. She gave it to me to get to the elders. And my job was to get it to fellow elder board. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. I’d read through everything and all the letters. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. That didn’t happen.

And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. I mean his letter, not just talking about the abusive behavior of James, but the things he did with the money – going on African safaris with the church money. On that Haiti trip. I don’t know whether it’s the way way down or the way back I’d have to reread the letter, but I mean, they stopped and went to the DR,. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. And again, this was on the church’s dime. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. Again, James is is now saying, oh, all of that had approval. Well, maybe it had approval by the executive elders, maybe it had approval by Fred Adams, who was the CFO at the time. I don’t see that as absolving James McDonald. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. So if you’re listening, you need and you haven’t read those letters, you need to go back and Dean Butters, I mean that one has to be just the emotional impact of the the bullying and the abuse, and then even a video where he mocked a very well known Christian leader because she was getting married in midlife for the first time and mocking her for never having sex before. I mean, just stuff that you just can’t even fathom comes from a man who supposedly is a man of God, a preacher of the gospel. So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. And you got all of them. And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldn’t be forwarded. And you couldn’t be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. You don’t know how I got ahold of them. I don’t know how the person who gave them to me got them. Honestly don’t to this day. And I don’t need to know. I just know I got them. But again, you push that issue, you got those letters. You disseminated down to the elders, and then that became really the sticking point for James, wasn’t it? He was like he started appealing the process. So if you can’t say anything, I mean, again, he’s dismissive of the actual letters. But he starts arguing process. Am I right?

That’s right. In that same meeting that same Thursday night, he argued, the elders shouldn’t have the letters. They should go to the reconciliation team. And I remember a comment being made. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. To myself, I said, and do our job. No one takes joy in doing this. It’s so interesting. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. And so when they started arguing the process, I was just like, Oh, my gosh, that’s what we’re just gonna talk about the process. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. There were six people who were brave enough, vulnerable enough to write letters. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. Nearly 30 pages, innumerable charges between all those people, Julie, they served on the staff of Harvest Bible Chapel for somewhere between 40 and 50 years collectively.

Also, in addition to those, you have the letter that was written by eight former elders at Harvest, who brought them in 2012, to the elder board, and within 24 hours, were excommunicated for bringing charges against James McDonald. None of those charges were looked into. So I mean, again, this was round. You know, there’s, I would say, round two, but I my guess is there were lots of small rounds in there, of people being silenced and bringing charges and, and the board looking the other way. And I’m just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. At least some did. And I know it was a battle. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. You really didn’t know at that point, whether he was going to get fired, or resign, or what was going to happen until Mancow Muller aired those vulgar excerpts from this hot mic recording that James McDonald didn’t know he was on mic. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. Just saying a lot of vile things. Had it not been for that recording, I mean, what do you think? What do you give, he would have been removed from Harvest, there’s no doubt. But would he have been able to save face do you think?

I think he might have and the reason I say that is that weekend, so you know, here we are on Tuesday, Tuesday, the fifth. I’ve already told you there was consensus from board. He’s not qualified. His employment is coming to an end. On Thursday, I’m in a meeting with him where honestly, Julie, they were trying to convince me and the other elders in the room that hadn’t been in previous meetings to let him resign. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I don’t know, he’s not repentant. He’s asking for money. He’s like the whole the whole thing was about resigning. I remember one other elder leading over to me and said repentant people don’t ask for money. And so we had a long meeting that Saturday to talk about what we were going to do. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldn’t come to an agreement about what we would do. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. And there were a number in the room who were looking at I Timothy 5, that’s for those who persistence sin rebuke them in the presence of all so that the rest may stand in fear. And we were at a stalemate. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. Like, I can’t believe this. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. And I remember reading through that scripture and reading through Hebrews 13:17, about elders overseeing and giving an account, and Galatians 1:10 about am I trying to please man, am I trying to please God? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. And I read all these verses, and we were talking about it. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. And I said, Listen, I get it. He’d been the senior pastor the whole time. Harvest didn’t know what it looked like to not have him as a senior pastor. And I said, I understand that. We don’t know what it would look like tomorrow. But for us not to act would be unbelief. There’s no joy in doing this. The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying God’s word. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. You do that, and hope that the person will repent, and that they will turn and that there’ll be restoration. And why do you do it in front of everybody? Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. And it’s to warn people, right? If you hear that from the pulpit, or you hear that up front, I think, if I’m sitting, if I’m sitting in the seat, I think well, how fast can I get to my car and confess everything that just the Holy Spirit just brought to mind?

And James, recently, in this video that he posted, said that there was an elder, in these meetings, he says, it’s very, very disparagingly who, who was holding his Bible and kept reading scripture. That was you, wasn’t it?

Shame on you for reading scripture! What what were you thinking?

Imagine such a thing. Well, you know, we laugh about it. But But I remember saying to the guys, listen, here’s the passages I’ve been studying. This is the passage. If there’s other passages we should be talking about, let’s talk about them.

And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. Again, Dan was one of the elders who confronted James back in 2012, and then got excommunicated from Harvest. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, what’s your salary James? How much do you make? We’re supposed to approve this budget, and we don’t even have a line item. We don’t know how much the top people at Harvest make. How can we approve this? And they started reading scripture about the qualifications of the elders. And they said, I remember Dan telling me that that James slammed his fist on the table. He’s a large imposing man. And I don’t know what his exact words were, but it was basically don’t you dare read scripture to me. And Dan said it was just so unnerving. But he said even the way said that he said, we got out of that meeting, we looked at each other. And we’re like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic.

Yeah, yeah. And I, I look back at those meetings that I was just describing, Julie, I don’t I don’t say this lightly. I look back at those meetings. And when I look back at it, that’s what I think. I think, how is it that we had the word of God sitting in front of us, which is pretty clear about what to do. And we were at an absolute stalemate. I’ll tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. And I remember talking to another elder and I looked at him, he was almost in tears, saying, I can’t believe we’re not going to do what God’s word says.

I remember saying we got to pray. We got to pray. But it was dark. It was demonic.

Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because I’m getting bits and pieces from different sources about what’s going on and what’s happening. And there was a group and we had two prayer meetings of people who had been former elders, staff people who have gone on the record with me. Literally more than two dozen people. And they were praying in earnest this entire time. And this was a spiritual battle. I know a lot of people look at this. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think it’s still going on now. And there is one thing we know about Satan. He’s a deceiver. So that’s why I think it’s so important to get the truth out there and to just keep speaking the truth. So let me let me take you to February I believe is February 12. And that was the day that Mancow Muller aired these excerpts. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. And I was just, it was entertaining, you know, on one level, but on the other level, just absolutely tragic. But as, as these excerpts of James speaking as, as James did, to so many people knew that, that this was the way he really, really spoke and who he really was. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didn’t say. I’ve listened to the entire recording. No, it wasn’t edited. This is James said what he said. You did you have any idea that that this was out there, and might get aired?

I did not. Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. I had, of course, people from Harvest who had heard it, sending me sending me clips. I was at work. Thankfully, I had headphones on. And I listened to it. And I thought, Oh, my gosh! You can imagine it wasn’t it wasn’t long before the elders were, you know, talking and I don’t remember the timing exactly. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. It was a conference call because it happened fast. And remember, a week before the decision had been made, in terms of not qualified as an elder and his employment would be over. The airing accelerated the timeline. We had to deal with it. And by the meeting that night, the executive committee came to the elder board with a unanimous recommendation, per the bylaws, that James McDonald’s employment should be terminated for cause at that point. That’s what meeting and when you’re in a conference called and you’re making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. We will talk through it. We did not hurry. And everybody had to say, right? Yes, yes. Yes, I agree. I agree. I’ll tell you one thing, Julie. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. I knew what the topic was. You could tell where it was headed probably. And I was muted on my phone. And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. It’s come to this. Later that night, or first thing you know, into the wee hours of the next morning, the communication was out to the people of Harvest, and it was over.

I remember that too. I remember waking up that morning. After you guys. I mean, again, it was a meeting into the wee hours of the night, early morning. And I got the text. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. I’m not positive on that. But I think it was And anyway, he’s fired. And I just remember my first feeling, you know, just honestly, relief. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. And so I felt relief. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. And her being in my house and literally shaking as she’s recounting. Again, she was the the wife of Dave Corning who was an elder at Harvest for over 20 years, and telling her stories, and one of her stories was you know about pictures of her being put up on a on a wall as a target practice for James McDonald and her seeing this shot up with a pellet gun. And the things that were done to them after they left. I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. And and I’m still feeling it and I’m still hearing from people. And the pain is overwhelming. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. And and again, I got out of this like so unbelievably easily. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. All my legal fees got paid. I mean, I got exonerated rather quickly. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Because they stood up to James or they just tried to walk away quietly because they couldn’t they couldn’t stomach what was going on any any longer. And I know I totally get what you’re talking about. I totally get the emotion that you must have felt because I felt it, too. Maybe not as profoundly as somebody who’d been involved so long, but it was powerful. So he was fired. There’s still one more thing I want to ask about. Ron Duitsman, Chairman of the Board, who agreed to fire James, now appears to be out there, saying that after James got fired, that the elders were were spinning what happened in a false way. And from the video that he recorded with James, it sounds like the spin is that James was actually guilty. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. That this wasn’t just James failure. It was the elders failure. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. Am I characterizing what happened there accurately?

You are Julie. I’ve looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. This is going amongst the elders now. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader. So who is he talking about? He’s talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. It seems we are being punished for the acts of someone who was our spiritual leader and was misleading us in a very unqualified way. You know, they asked him as an executive committee member and the elder board chairman. And he says he refuses to read it and says he’s not going to mislead the congregation.( was spent) That seems pretty straightforward.

It does. Yet, Dan, you owned it. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. But to also say, this was this was my fault, too.

We’re just talking a minute ago, you know, the emotion and the weight and the relief and the sadness, and all those things are true. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. And I was still on the board. And I just felt this incredible weight. And I turned to Scripture, and I went to Psalm 32, where you know, the companion to Psalm 51, where David’s writing. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. I acknowledge my sin to you. I did not cover my iniquity. I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. And it became so obvious to be like that that was what it was. That’s what the weight was. I thought the weight was dealing with everything else in there was a weight, but that was the weight. So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. I’ll write a statement. You can review it. We can put it up on the Harvest site, and I’ll read it to the congregation on Saturday night. I wasn’t looking forward to that. But I knew I needed to do it. They said no, for various reasons. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. I just thought, yeah. And I, the next day, I wrote and said, Well, okay, I respect your wishes. I need to repent. I’m gonna put it up on my Facebook page, on my blog. Because Julie, I knew that, even if I’d gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. I knew that there were hundreds of people, probably more, that were hurt that all this stuff happened. You know, while while I was an overseer, I didn’t know it. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they don’t owe me anything, but I hope it’s been healing to them. I just knew the Lord made it clear I had to do it. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? It wasn’t an argument. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. We knew I needed to do it. And I did it. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving.

So quick to forgive and people were giving me hugs the next night. I knew I had to do it. The Lord made it really clear. It wasn’t an easy thing to do. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do.

Yeah. Again, only you and Mike Dunwoody, did that publicly. I did hear from one after I reached out to him because we had another connection with another organization that he’s a head of. And then he apologized. This was months months later. Like wow! You know, I’ve been here the whole time. He could have apologized a long time ago, but nothing publicly. And and it’s sad to me other than when they did finally, the former elders apologize for the lawsuit that was brought against me. But so much else not owned. There is a solution for our sin in Scripture. Jesus died on the cross for to take the weight of our sin so that we could be released from it. So that we could live in freedom. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. to Rick Donald. to anyone who’s been a part of, of what went on. That was really wrongdoing at Harvest, would be to repent. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. But that is my hope. I know it’s your hope too, Dan, and I just want to thank you. Thanks for for standing up for what was right. Thank you for taking the stand that you did. And I know it’s cost you personally. And thank you for loving our Lord and showing the way. So I appreciate it. Thank you.


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Located beneath the concrete silhouette of downtown, a lone figure rides a painted horse through a vibrant field of fresh and weathered graves. His glowing, amber eyes stand vigil against a threatening horizon overtaking the great American plains.

Spanning the courtyard of the Double-Wide, the mural stands as a tribute to the artist from whom it came. The mural demands the attention of the bar's patrons who struggle to light their cigarettes in the face of the dark horseman.

Off to the side, another lone figure sits quiet in reflection with a homemade Wile E. Coyote T-shirt and a pack of Pall Mall Reds. Unbeknownst to those drinking at the bar, he is the man responsible not only for the jolt they received in the courtyard, but also for penning one of the most influential works of the early 1990s.

In anticipation of his upcoming graphic novel Sundown, (which inspired the Double-Wide mural) and in celebration of July marking the 20th anniversary of The Crow's publication (more on that after the jump), the Mixmaster caught up with artist and Texas transplant, James O'Barr.

What brought you to Dallas? After 35 years in Detroit being shot, stabbed and run over, it became apparent to me that I would either end up with a toe-tag or wearing an orange jump suit in a place where they use cigarettes as commerce.

I had some friends down here and they talked me into staying for a while. I was really shocked by what I found in Dallas. There is a lot of culture here -- all the oil money definitely did not go to waste [laughs]. There are a lot of museums, a great art and music scene and even a big gay community, which is the last thing that I would expect to be here in Texas.

Dallas in a lot of ways is really like the anti-Detroit. I tell my friends back home in Michigan that every time a building falls down in Detroit, it pops up in Dallas.

What have you been up to since leaving Detroit? I took some time off to learn how to paint, because I never had any real art training before. The idea of going to school for art seemed ridiculous to me because if you have a passion for something, you are going to pursue it regardless. So I ended up taking eight or nine years off, had a family, had a daughter and taught myself color theory and oil painting -- all the areas I thought I was lacking.

Once I got to DFW, it felt it was time to refocus and get back to what I love, which is comics.

Do you have any new projects coming out? I have a new book called Sundown, which has been my pet project for a while. Originally I set out to do a 300-page graphic novel, but a company out of Dallas called Motionworks approached me about doing something else with it.

The book is a Western and I had done some of the pages as these widescreen, amorphic panels, which turned out to be perfectly suited for the iPad. It's not a typical comic where you have square or rectangular panels every shot has these wide panels like an old CinemaScope picture.

Sundown is like a Spaghetti Western retelling of The Wizard of Oz. There are four characters going on a journey who wind up wanting four different things in the end, but it is more about the journey than the people who they meet -- or better yet, the people they kill since, after all, it's a Western.

Did your trek to Texas have an influence on Sundown? I have been working on it since I was back in Detroit, but the move to Texas has had a huge influence on it. Especially with things like the sunset, scenery and the desert, which were all things that I had never seen before.

In Detroit, the sunset is really green or gray so I had never seen a sunset that was 500 miles wide with pinks, lavenders and powder blues in it. Had I seen some of the sunsets I see here in a movie back home, I would have thought they were CGI. So yeah it has been a big influence on the color schemes and has added another depth to the realism to it.

For the book I did a lot of reading and research on the history of the area from the early 1870s. Initially the book started out in the East Coast, but I thought I might as well start off in Texas since I had all this information. There is a really rich history here and it has definitely influenced the progression of the book. I think it adds some validation because I am not just making this stuff up. It's a fantasy story that is sold in the most realistic fashion.

What was it like to work outside the traditional medium of comics with Sundown? I really like the fact that motion comics are a new medium that really hasn't been defined yet because there is that potential for abuse. The rules really haven't been defined yet, so you aren't confined by them. Most of the ones that I have seen, which aren't a lot, have been kind of lame. It can be closer to a film instead of having these static images with a limited range of movement.

I really think Sundown is the first one that has been specifically designed for the iPad. It has sound effects and a whole musical score so it is really closer to a film. Plus it is fully painted so there isn't any line artwork. As much of a headache it has been with the animation, I'm really happy with it. All artists are their own worst critics so for me to say that is a really bold statement.

Since all of your artwork is done by hand, did you find yourself using new techniques and software with Sundown? While I realize they are all just tools, I am really hesitant to become reliant upon computers. I still don't use a computer for any of the artwork it is all hand-painted and illustrated. I think what I do is so organic and the idea of using Photoshop or any of those things is sort of a repellent. The fact is there are no happy mistakes on the computer.

I go to comic book conventions and there are kids sitting there with laptops at their booth instead of comics. Personally, I like to know if the electricity goes out I can still work. There isn't a magic button that is going to draw something for you. You need to know your craft. If you don't know basic anatomy and basic storytelling skills, it's all going to fall apart.

Do you find your audience open and accepting of your work outside of The Crow? Absolutely. I am blessed. Fans of The Crow have been the most loyal fans in the world. I have done 2000 pages of comics, but I am obviously only famous for a certain 300. I am totally fine with that because that is my diary, my book and is really my child. It's been really good to me. I have been able to travel the world and it has given me a comfortable living. I am not rich by any means, but it allows me to do what I really love.

Are there any plans to commemorate The Crow's 20th anniversary?

I just did the 20th anniversary author's edition of The Crow. There were a lot of scenes and sequences that I wanted in there, but I wasn't capable of doing it at the time.

Some of the sequences were still too soon after my fiancée's death and I felt that they exploited our relationship for entertainment purposes. However, with the 20th anniversary, I felt it was now or never and wanted to add those sequences that were always meant to be there.

I did all of the new artwork in the same style as the old, so it's really a seamless match. I didn't do the George Lucas thing and go back and shine things up. It doesn't change the structure of the story, but it adds more layers and depth to it.

It has been said that you wrote The Crow to deal with the death of your fiancée. Did you reach the catharsis that you were hoping for? No, because it was too soon afterward. I really wanted justice because a drunk driver had killed my fiancée. Granted this was the '70s when it was much more lenient, but I was furious because my life had been changed in an instant, and I felt that this guy only got a mild spanking.

I wanted justice in real life, but it just wasn't going to come, so I thought I would put it on paper. But instead, it just made me angrier and more fucked up. It was like picking at a scab instead of letting it heal over, I just kept reopening that wound.

What was it like to go back and revisit The Crow 20 years later? I had mixed feelings about it. I was really happy to explore the romantic flashback sequences again because I have learned, especially from the fans, that The Crow isn't a revenge story, it's really a love letter. So this was really my chance to celebrate this one specific point in my life. It was good to do that, but was also hard to add more violence to it.

Most of the flashback scenes in the new edition are of Eric and Shelly's life before, but in much more depth. I always wanted to explore the scene on the train where Eric sees the horse, as it represented his guilt for not being able to help Shelly. I always wanted the horse to be at the end too, but back then I couldn't quite figure out how or why to do it, but twenty years later I fully understand it now.

At the time I didn't understand what I was feeling either -- survivor's guilt -- except they didn't have a name for it back then. So this time, I made a closing segment with the horse, but it's not just wrapped up in barbed wire, it's on fire. It's an intense sequence, but it is a nice wrap-up as it explains that Eric's journey wasn't only about revenge it was about acceptance. Either you forgive yourself for something, or you let it haunt you for the rest of your life.

With The Crow being so personal, did it trouble you to see it become so commercialized with a number of sequels, a TV show and now a remake of the first movie? I have kind of divorced myself from all of that. I was heavily involved with the first film, and Brandon was my friend. I kind of feel like I made my movie, and I really have nothing else to say with that character or that scenario. It was never designed to be a Star Trek or James Bond franchise, which is what they keep trying to turn it into. Initially, I thought that they would cheapen the first film by making these bad sequels but in reality all they did was make it look that much better.

Remaking The Crow, a film that is only 15 years old, is kind of ridiculous at this point. I don't think anyone sets out to make a bad film, but the first Crow was a $10 million movie. I don't think it matters how much money you throw at it or what stars you put in it -- no one is going to top what Brandon and Alex Proyas did in the first film.

Frankly, I can't think of any actor that is going to have Brandon's physicality and his charisma. I just can't think of anyone that can pull that off. I actually think of Brandon when I think of The Crow now. That's how closely associated it is now with me. He nailed that part, but he really had to sell me on it too. When I first met him, I thought that while he looked perfect and could do all the physical stuff, he was just too nice of a guy. I had a hard time believing that he could be threatening and scary. So he took that as a challenge to prove me wrong.

I still remember thinking, "Wow, this is Bruce Lee's son!" But Brandon never played on that at all. This was the first movie he made where he felt like he wasn't in his father's shadow. I spent two years traveling around the world promoting The Crow to get people to see it for the right reason because he was proud of the film.

So when people always ask me what I think about what Hollywood has done with my book, I like to reference a Raymond Chandler quote that they haven't done a fucking thing to my book, it's still sitting right there on the shelf like it always was! Read the source material -- films are a whole different genre, and invariably a book is going to be better because it has more depth. It's not going to be constrained by a budget or any limitations on the set, it speaks directly to the reader.

I have my book and my film, so I am content with that.

In the past 20 years, I think The Crow has really become somewhat of a rite of passage. I have watched the first fans grow up with me, and all of a sudden there is a whole new group of 16 year-old Goth girls who, I'm like, where did you even hear about this book from? This has happened with three different generations now, so it's like when you turn 16 you have to read The Crow and own the first three Cure albums.

I am glad that even though the book is set in the early '80s, the message is still valid: As long as someone is loved, they will never die.

The Crow: Special Edition is released today, July 26th. To stay current on all things James O'Barr visit jamesobarr.typepad.com/my_weblog/.

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About the Interviewers

Arthur Daemmrich is an assistant professor in the Business, Government, and International Economy Unit at Harvard Business School and a senior research fellow at the Chemical Heritage Foundation. His research examines science, medicine, and the state, with a focus on advancing theories of risk and regulation through empirical research on the pharmaceutical, biotechnology, and chemical sectors. At HBS he also plays an active role in an interdisciplinary Healthcare Initiative, advancing scholarship and developing applied lessons for the business of creating and delivering health services and health-related technologies. Daemmrich was previously the director of the Center for Contemporary History and Policy at the Chemical Heritage Foundation. He earned a PhD in Science and Technology Studies from Cornell University in 2002 and has held fellowships at the Social Science Research Council/Berlin Program for Advanced German and European Studies, the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, and the Chemical Heritage Foundation. He has published widely on pharmaceutical and chemical regulation, biotechnology business and policy, innovation, and history of science.


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